Wednesday, April 4, 2012


I recentl shared a Mark's Daily Apple article about the ethics of eating meat on my Facebook. This ensued:

Rudy Zamora tired argument. not all evil is created equal. this is like ethics 101.
2 hours ago · · 1
  • Danielle Jade Stout I don't think it's a tired argument, though I do agree that not all evil is created equal. I think that just because vegetarians are so far removed from their food, that they don't see or ackowledge what they kill, does not make their hands any less bloody.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Russell Shadez Plants are living creatures - why do they find their slaughter and consumption acceptable?
    2 hours ago ·

  • Joel Guzman Maddox has something to say about this:
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  • Christian Golden Usually the claim is that killing plants is more acceptable than killing mammals because the former don't have the capacity to suffer whereas the latter do
    2 hours ago ·

  • Rudy Zamora Is there any proof that modern plant agriculture kills just as many animals as food animal production to justify the assertion that vegetarian hands are "just as bloody"? Also, I didn't know plants are sentient beings capable of cognition and actual suffering.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Russell Shadez We don't know because we haven't asked the plants j/k - seriously, we assume they are not sentient because they don't communicate with us (in a way we understand) - yet they clearly respond to the environment and to human verbal interaction. Plants are life but we don't consider that life precious on any scale, such as, over development, destruction of the rainforest, pollutants, pesticides, and eating.
    about an hour ago · · 1

  • Danielle Jade Stout First, it's important to note that I only condone eating meat from small/local/grass-fed farms. And yes, there is proof. The toxic run off from soy, corn, canola and wheat (arguably the basis of majority of veg diets) have created a dead zone in the Gulf the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined, effectively destroying marine life and continuing to do so. Modern agriculture destroys eco systems and top soil, while grass-fed farming builds top soil and supports eco systems naturally. Plowing land all over the world to grow soy, wheat, corn, canola, beans, etc has driven species into extinction. CAFO farms are just as bad, and I don't support them either. I know where all of my food comes from, and I know what had to die so that I can eat. But I think vegetarians need to recognize the same.
    about an hour ago · · 1

  • Danielle Jade Stout Also, if Michael A Buck wants to get in on this conversation he can tell you all about plants being sentient beings capable of cognition and actual suffering.
    about an hour ago · · 1

  • Russell Shadez Love your passion Lady D!
    about an hour ago ·

  • Michael A Buck Danielle would be referring to a study done by dr. Cleve Backster in the 1960's where he hooked plants up to polygraph machines and got noticeable effects when there existence was threatened, suggesting a measurable if only slight awareness. Scientists to this day cannot tell you what consciousness is, or where it comes from, so how are we to determine what other forms consciousness takes. How do you explain out of body experiences from supposedly dead patients that have no heart or brain activity, yet when they come back after a minute or two, can recall with great detail the things that happened while they were supposedly dead? Consciousness is not a product of the brain, the brain is more likely our personal receiver, for our consciousness.
    about an hour ago · · 3

  • Michael A Buck Explain to me why plants developed the hormonal ability for phototropism. That would be what is responsible for plants leaning toward a light source, such as on a counter top leaning toward the window. So they are hormonally aware of sunlight, and will cease to exist if they don't elongate their cells to move toward the light, so like any aware creature, they move toward the light. If they had no awareness, this would not happen. Maybe it's in a different form than our awareness, but that does not mean its not awareness.
    52 minutes ago · · 1

  • Michael A Buck I'd also like to point out that it is not evil to raise an animal humanely, are for it, and have respect for the animal that is now nourishing you. If you want to be a vegetarian, that's fine, but eat only locally grown organic vegetables, so as to be protecting the environment, and quit eating "fake" meat products... That is a load of shit. And one more thing, if you know anyone that feeds their dog or cat a vegetarian diet, please fucking smack them for me! While the argument that humans are supposed to be vegetarians is proven pretty retarded by something as small as our dental evolution.... There is no argument that cats are strictly carnivorous, and dogs are mainly carnivorous, but can vary slightly more than cats.
    23 minutes ago · · 2

  • Michael A Buck Damnit why'd you tag me! I can't stop... Are Venus fly traps not aware? Oh damn, they're carnivorous to. Kill all the Venus fly traps for not being evolved enough to live solely of the sun, water and soil!!!! They are evil!
    16 minutes ago · · 1

  • Michael A Buck Why does no one debate me! I am bored!

    I like it!

    nick's bday weekend

    Pate and oysters at Jackie's sidebar. I'm no pate expert, but oh my god it was good. I ate it like a sandwich. That's just how I roll.

    I'm dying to go back to Jackie's. Nick's bday was awesome, and I had a duck fat drink! On Saturday we went to Franklin's and got bloody Mary's.

    I got turkey over mashed potatoes.

    And on Sunday I went to linner with the girls. Got muscles.

    A few days ago Scott and I went to Sticky Rice. I  got the coconut shrimp, but subbed noodles for more veggies.

    The bowl is gigantic, so I had some awesome leftovers for work.

    Tonight I'm making lamb a la The Clothes Make The Girl. I am so stoked! I never cook with lamb and I absolutely love it. Hopefully I don't mess it up.

    Friday, March 30, 2012

    egg white omelets are stupid and gross

    Pastured pork ribs from the farm. Organic red wine. A salad with avocado, maters and raw cheese.

    I don't eat pork that often, not for any particular reason, but I just don't really know how to cook it. I seared this in butter and balsalmic, and put it in the oven. It was pretty easy, and it was pretty awesome. I ate this meal with my hands (so much easier, and I do this a lot when I'm not dining with Scott).

    I've written about this before but I think it's so interesting the bad rap pork gets. I've heard over and over again that Okinawans live so long because their diet is comprised of mainly fish and tofu. Blasphemy! They eat pork! All of it. Organs. Snout to tail, baby.

    Thursday, March 29, 2012

    fried chicken skin

    I finally understand Cartman and why he wanted to eat the chicken skin off all the chicken on South Park. That sh*t is good! I made my usual chicken legs last night, sauteed them in coconut oil and real beef stock (have ya'll cooked with real beef stock? It's amazing, oh my god) and peeled the skin off. I put the chickens in the oven, and fried the skin in the oil and stock.

    I have no words.

    Took the skin out, and in went the cauliflower. This sauce way amazing.

    Chicken leg, chicken skin and cauliflower all in a beef broth coconut oil gravy. With an avocado, tomato and cilantro salad.

    Tonight I get more raw milk! It's been so long. Like two weeks. I crave it so badly. I'm also getting pork spare ribs! So stoked to cook up some fatty meat and devour.

    Wednesday, March 28, 2012


    Pig head terrine, duck liver pate, I don't even know the third piece of meat.

    Soft shell crab.

    Scott's finally going to read The Vegetarian Myth!

    I know some of my friends think I'm weird for some of the "gross" things I eat. Raw veggie juices, bone broths, liver and other organ meats, etc. The thing is, first of all, I don't find these foods to be gross. I actually really like my raw vegetable juice. I like my bone broth when I make it right (aka not accidentally dump a pound of salt in it like I did the other night) and I like my liver, tongue and heart when it's mixed in with my ground beef or prepared well. 

    But sometimes, I don't like these things. Sometimes I just consume them because I know they're good for my body. And this is when I've gotten called weird, or more accurately, gross.

    But if you think about it, most of us consume a lot of gross things for the end result. Particularly: booze. No one likes the taste of a shot. That's why chasers exist. That's why we make faces right after we take them. We take shots for the end result: getting tipsy, or drunk, or wasted. And that's okay. But I don't particularly think I'm gross for drinking my veggies or eating my organs so that my end result is health. People smoke cigarettes, and I actually am not sure why. I've never liked them. People smoke weed, which makes them cough and makes them smell weird. And people even do hard drugs for the end result. I'm just takin' my good old fermented cod liver pills!

    So basically, a lot of things I advocate can seem gross at first, but I assure you they are not. It may take some getting used to, but if you can take a shot, you can drink some damn green juice and eat some damn liver. Don't be a pansy.

    Tuesday, March 27, 2012

    crock pot

    I ate a potato last night. I boiled it, and then added it to all this butter.

    With grass-fed filet mignon cooked in coconut oil and an avocado.

    My crock pot came it! It was $28 on Amazon and is 6 quarts. Pretty cheap with good reviews. I put in two big bones, onions, carrot, garlic and filtered water.

    Simmered on low overnight. It is so fatty and gelatinous and nourishing and healing.

    Unfortunately, a lot of it spilled in my backpack on the way to work. I still have more at home though. I invested in the crock pot because I knew it'd allow me to more easily and efficiently make bone broths. And heal my stomach lining!

    Scott goes to Sweden tomorrow to do stuff with Refused. Ya'll should listen to them. Anyway, so tonight we're going to Dino! We were going to to Taco Tuesday, but I dehydrated the wraps for too long. I am so excited to go here. They serve liver, pigs head, pate, etc and it's from grass-fed, organic and local farms! I love them already.

    Monday, March 26, 2012


    My weekend started out at home with some of this

    and Scott and I ordered sushi. We kept it pretty low key because Scott hurt his neck at the gym.

    The sushi was super good. Lots of tuna in the tuna rolls, good, oily salmon and a lot of avocado in the salmon rolls. Plus a masago roll, fish eggs are super nourishing and are a brain food. In traditional cultures, fish eggs are reserved for pregnant women and little kids.

    On Saturday morning we headed to Eatonville. I got the shrimp bisque and the gumbo.

    The shrimp bisque was very good, and while I want to love the gumbo, I just don't.

    We also hit up Yes for groceries for the week. I got a Hail Merry raw vegan treat. It was like a dark chocolate almond butter cup, and it was pretty bomb.

    I juiced.

    On Saturday a bunch of us  went to see our friends play hockey. My girls

    And we went to the bar after, where I consumed a lot of cabernet.

    Sunday breakfast was bacon, eggs, avocado, cherry tomatoes and yogurt. I was hungover and hungry.

    For lunch we went to Tackle Box, where I got clam soup

    and grilled cod with broccoli.

    And an oyster shooter, but I didn't drink the booze.

    So it was a good weekend. The eats weren't too bad, excluding the booze on Saturday. Hope everyone has a great week!